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This is something I made for the Map of the Fortnight contest over on alternatehistory.com. The challenge was to make a map showing a scenario which is the reverse of a scenario from our timeline. The map shows a scenario in which France invades Germany via the Low Countries in the early 1900s, as a sort of reverse Schlieffen Plan.

The point of divergence from our own history is prior to the Franco-Prussian war - specifically France buys some of the breech-loading steel cannons that historically gave Prussia such a great advantage in the Franco-Prussian war from our timeline. It's not enough to win the war, but it's enough to prevent it going quite as disastrously as it did historically, so the Emperor isn't captured by the Prussian forces and the Second Empire continues on after the war.

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The Franco-Prussian war was won before it was fought. Whilst France's soldiers sported the superior Chassepot rifle, this was the largest of only a few advantages the great power had. Prussia, meanwhile, had the advantage of the superior breech-loading steel artillery provided by Alfred Krupp, and whilst France had purchased some similar "Kruppstahl" cannons under the insistence of Emperor Napoleon III, most of France's artillery remained tried and tested muzzle-loading bronze designs. In addition to this, Prussia's use of railways to quickly mobilise and manoeuvre its forces had no equal in French military doctrine, and Prussia's army was the only one in the world with the benefit of a dedicated General Staff.

The Prussians beat France back from the border, and got so far as to besiege Paris. Though they never marched on the city themselves, their previous victories and the untenability of the French position led to a French surrender, and the transfer of Alsace-Lorraine - now Elsaß-Lothringen - to Germany.

France had been decisively defeated, but it was not out of the game for good. The French Emperor, Napoleon III, immediately set about analysing why France had lost, and how it could remove its disadvantages. A French General Staff was created, and French military doctrine was radically rewritten for a new age of warfare.

The Emperor was not only concerned with military doctrine and the nature of the army's equipment, but also with geopolitics. Traditionally France had one of the largest armies in Europe, but was unable to bring it to bear against any one foe due to its central position. In the run-up to the Franco-Prussian war, the Prussian Chancellor Otto von Bismarck had diplomatically isolated France, ensuring they had no allies to come to their defence. Though Napoleon III died in 1873, his campaign to break up von Bismarck's Dreikaiserbund - an alliance of the German, Austro-Hungarian, and Russian empires - continued with his son Napoleon IV, who helped break up the Bund in 1875, and obtained a mutual defence pact with Russia in 1879, in order to counter the dual alliance of Germany and Austria-Hungary. This broke France's isolation, and Napoleon IV instantly began diplomatic overtures with Italy and Britain, hoping to ensure the neutrality of both in the event of a war between France and Germany. These diplomatic ties improved greatly once Kaiser Wilhelm II dismissed Otto von Bismarck as German chancellor in 1890 - the Kaiser pursued a much more aggressive foreign policy than the Iron Chancellor von Bismarck had, alienating many nations who were leaning towards the German camp.

In the years between 1900 and 1910 tensions between the Franco-Russian bloc and the German-Austro-Hungarian bloc grew, as dissent in Austro-Hungarian Bosnia - supported by Kingdom of Serbia - threatened to bring Russia (Serbia's ally) and Austria to war. The French Chief of Staff at the time, Joseph Joffre, decided that France's current preparations for a potential war with Germany were inadequate, and so oversaw a radical change in French military strategy. Reasoning that German fortifications in Alsace-Lorraine were too formidable to attack from the front, Joffre formed a plan of attack whereby a number of French armies would march through neutral Belgium and the Netherlands, catching the German defences off-guard and surrounding them. This plan was further modified over the years, eventually becoming Plan XVII.

The opportunity for war came in 1911. Austria-Hungary claimed it had evidence linking a number of Serbian nationals to a series of terrorist attacks and assassinations in Bosnia, and demanded their extradition. Serbia refused to extradite a number of the alleged terrorists, leading Austria-Hungary to declare war, ostensibly to protect its territory from foreign terrorists.

Germany backed up Austria-Hungary's invasion, and said it would defend Austria-Hungary if any nation attacked it as a result. Russia, seeing itself as the protector of all Slavic nations and having provided Serbia with much aid in the past, declared war on Austria-Hungary and Germany, calling in its major ally, France.

Plan XVII was then put into action, with troops being mobilised and moved quickly into position for the initial assault. Unfortunately for France, it had underestimated many things - the effectiveness of the Russian army, the willingness of Britain to go to war over the issue of Belgian neutrality, the efficiency of Germany's own mobilisation plans, and the effectiveness of the Belgian and Dutch troops to name but a few. On paper the Plan looked perfect - almost infallible - but no plan survives contact with the enemy, and this is all the more true for plans as audacious and radical as Plan XVII.
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NealMan11 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014
if the French lose will the Germans expand even further into French territory or just defend the Fatherland?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I doubt Germany would annex any French territory after this war - they already have Elsass-Lothringen after all, and I doubt the British would allow it. They might occupy some of France, and there might be some Saarland equivalent that they'll administrate as a *League of Nations mandate, but there's no real reason why they'd keep it.
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NealMan11 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014
Also, will you continue this scenario?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think I will at some point, but I generally only make maps for the Map of the Fortnight contest over on AH.com now, so it'll have to wait until a challenge that works well with this timeline comes up I'm afraid.
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NealMan11 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Yeah I guess so but I feel a better punishment over the for France would be releasing one of the old Gallic countries like Brittany, Occitania, or Picarde.
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RogueLeader1000 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
I think I might write a timeline to this scenario.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Go ahead - I might make more maps set in this world, but I don't think I'm going to write a full timeline of it. :)

I have been meaning to respond to your long post discussing what this world might be like after this alternate WWI - I do have ideas of what this world would be like after WWI, but I haven't had the time to do research and see which bits are plausible and which bits aren't, I'm afraid.
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RogueLeader1000 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
France is pretty much doomed. Though I must applaud you sir: this is the most original World War I althistory I've seen in a while. Even if America gets involved, the most they could do would be to take British territory in America like Canada. However, considering that Woodrow Wilson was a complete Anglophile, he will probably overlook anything bad that the Germans and English do. This war will split Americans however: Anglos and German Americans will support the Allies, while the Irish and French descended will support the French and Russians. Overall, it will be a very...interesting situation for all involved, though I see the French getting pushed out of Germany and the Low Countries by the German military relatively quickly. It will be hilarious to see Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg greet the Germans as liberators. Heck, Luxembourg (and possibly Belgium and/or the Netherlands) may join the German Empire voluntarily!:D (Big Grin) 
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! I'm not sure how original the concept itself is - it's mostly just France and Germany swapping circumstances - but I'm glad you like it! :)

I'm not sure I ever thought extensively about what might happen to America in this timeline. I'm not sure Woodrow Wilson would be in office, but the point of divergence was small and less than a century ago, so it's possible. If someone who was less of an Anglophile was in office I could see America joining the Franco-Russian side in hopes of defeating the British Empire in the Americas. I imagine they'd be quite successful in that, but might lose all their gains once their side loses in Europe.

That might have rather interesting effects - in OTL the fact that Germany held enemy territory when it surrendered in WWI led to dissatisfaction with the government and the "stab-in-the-back" myth. If a similar thing happened to America I could see some similar conspiracy theory evolving and justifying a more nationalist, authoritarian government.

I'm not really sure what would happen after that. I've already speculated that France, Russia, and Austro-Hungary might undergo revolutions/coups post-war themselves, so it seems like the 1920s might be a time of revolutions like 1848, with a mix of socialist and nationalist/fascist movements gaining/attempting to gain power in various countries across the world. That would certainly make WWII exciting. :D

I'm not aware of the politics at the time or what the popular sentiment was, but I doubt the Netherlands and Belgium would become part of Germany, though I could see Luxembourg being integrated after Germany protects them against the "French menace". Some sort of local defensive alliance and/or economic pact would be possible and interesting, though. I could see a quasi-EU starting out as an economic organisation initially covering Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany.
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Definitely see Belgium and the Netherlands falling into the German sphere. Assuming the Eastern Front goes about how it goes in our timeline, and Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, the Cossack States, Lithuania, Finland,  the Baltic Duchy, Georgia, and possible Azerbaijan and Armenia all get German-backed independence, the makings of Germany's Mitteleuropa may actually be put into place. Though its almost certain that Luxembourg will join the Empire they narrowly avoided joining only a few decades before.

The interesting idea of the war ending in a draw, with a Central powers victory in Europe, but and American/Entente victory in the Americas would lead to an interesting scenario. It could lead to a fait accompli situation, where the British would be unhappy about the situation, but with a tired military and no way to invade the U.S., would be forced to accept U.S. dominance in the Americas as unavoidable, while America would have to accept the situation in Europe. In this world, assuming the lack of a Woodrow Wilson analogue and his inane 14 Points, there would be little to no support for self-determination or the League of Nations (though a League may still form). America would be more politically isolated in the aftermath, but will be more militaristic and self-reliant, especially without the British to ensure the Monroe Doctrine anymore. America may, for example, go on and annex Haiti and other Caribbean nations to prevent German or British influence. The Japanese will still have their Anglo-Japanese Alliance, and thus would join the Central Powers in the war effort, taking the war to the Russians and the French. The Japanese getting all of Sakhalin Island and French Indochina could have interesting ramifications for the east. If America becomes a British enemy, the Anglo-Japanese Alliance may never break. Meanwhile, America will become even more anti-Japanese, but may yet not lose the Philippines, though I can see Philippine independence cancelled, and the islands integrated instead.

As for Italy and the Ottoman Empire, Italy stayed neutral in the war initially and was against going against the British who supplied most of their coal. With the British on the Central Powers side, the British may be able to convince the Italians to join the war on their side. Thus, an invasion of Southern France will hurry French capitulation. Out of that invasion, the Italians will get Corsica, Savoy, Nice, and some French colonies. The Ottomans only joined the war in OTL due to German pressure to obligate an alliance that had been made before hand. I can see the Ottomans still joining the war on the Central Powers side, though I don't see them doing that much better against the Russians. At least they won't have to worry about the British supporting insurrections in their territory. Bulgaria will still join the Central powers as well, to regain Vardar Macedonia (modern day nation of Macedonia, which was Serbian at the time. With the British backing the Central Powers, who knows how Romania may swing. They may wait out the war till the very end when it was obvious that the conflict will swing one way or another. I see them joining the Central Powers to take Russian territory (specifically Bessarabia). Portugal will follow their British ally, so no surprise there. Greece will almost certainly back the Allies, seeing as there will be no conflict between the Germanophile King and his Anglophile Prime Minister.

The war will go badly for Russia and France. The Great Game between Britain and Russia will end decisively here. The British will seize the chance to renege on all the agreements they have made with the Russians and seize Afghanistan and control Persia. A British invasion into Central Asia may not follow, but Britain will establish itself as suzerain in southern Central Asia. The French Empire will cease to exist. It will be divided up between the British and the Germans, and Italians, and the Japanese more than likely. While continental Russia will almost certainly lose territory to Germany, and France will possibly lose French Flanders to Belgium, along with the rest of the  Nord-Pas-de-Calais  region, and will also probably lose territory to the Italians, whether they will lose territory to Germany or Britain is an open question. I do however predict a fascist-like revolution in France, and a communist revolution and civil war in Russia, though how successful either one of those will be will depend on how much Germany is paying attention.

I also predict the dissolution of Austria-Hungary as well due to all of its internal issues. No doubt Germany will step in to keep the peace, and keep the Italians out. Germany would most likely annex the territory of our time Republic of German-Austria  and other mostly German areas, like the Burgenland (including Ödenburg) and Pressburg (modern day Bratislava). Germany may give Italy Trentino (not the German Southern Tyrol) as its mostly Italian, but will probably want the Austrian Littoral and Slovene lands to have a port on the Mediterranean. Bohemia and Slovakia will probably not merge and will remain German puppet states, especially since Bohemia will be indefensible with its borders. Galicia and Lodomeria will be split between Ukraine and Poland to keep their puppets happy, the Triune Kingdom will be united into Croatia, and Romania will probably get all of the Romanian regions of the Empire, especially if they joined the Central powers. Bosnia will probably go to Croatia.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Germany would win, because with it's navy and the British navy working side by side... France isn't going to get anything worthwhile out of its colonies.
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SomeRandomMinion Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2012
You mentioned that the Americans may join in on France's side...
So what would happen if the Kingdom of American States--from your "World Upside-Down" timeline existed here?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Kingdom of American States is from a completely different timline, and as such its history and the history of the world it's in is very different from that of this world.

However, if a war like this erupted in the World Turned Upside-Down timeline, then America would either join in the war when Britain does (though they probably wouldn't do much beyond blockading some French and German colonial ports, and maybe occupying some of their American or Pacific territories), or remain neutral (either because they don't think Britain needs their help, or because their relationship with Britain has begun to deteriorate as they start to eclipse Britain as the world's reigning superpower).
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Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
US entry would be interesting, though ultimately useless. They won't be able to supply France through the RN and the KM blockade and they certainly can't do anything in Africa due to their small navy.
Britain will be distracted in Africa, which will probably be their major front with a secondary one supporting their allies in Europe, and by navy affairs, so America could possibly get the jump on them in an invasion of Canada or somesuch, though even then it won't do much.
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SWR-A Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012
Wow! Now this has really caught my interest. I had heard that there really were plans in France that had a lot of similarity with the Schlieffenplan. Like marching through Belgium to catch the germans of guard. So seeing something like that is really interesting. It also makes sense for the french to aim for the Rhineland, Berlin is literally on the other side of Germany.
But same problem here as in our timeline if the plan fails you are in trouble. Royal Navy alone should already be a lot stronger than the french navy, Royal Navy and Kaiserliche Marine is just to much.
Small question, did France have enough man for eight armies? I heard that they had around five in our timeline. And Germany had 10 million more inhabitants and itīs still said that they never had the strenght to use the Schlieffenplan as planed. Then again this is alternative history and the backstory is different so everything is possible.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! I'm glad my map piqued your interest! :D

The size of the naval forces facing France are certainly overwhelming - in this world France was hoping on taking on the Kaiserliche Marine alone, and at least managing to hold them off long enough to win on land, but the Royal Navy is definitely going to throw a large number of spanners into the works.

I think France definitely has enough manpower for eight armies. For one thing, armies aren't of a consistent size, so eight armies could easily be roughly the same amount of men, but more spread out. Also, throughout the course of the First World War France called up over 8,000,000 men to arms, which is more than enough to fill eight armies of a reasonable size.
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SWR-A Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2012
How strong was the french navy anyway? You always hear about the german-british race in building battleships but nothing about the french fleet.
Good points. Didnīt know that the french called up that many people to the arms, makes you just realise with what kind of numbers you were dealing here. Besides some people say that the germans didnīt put enough money in the armies and that that has lead to the fail of the Schlieffenplan, as well as heavily underestemating the belgians.
This whole scenario is really interesting seeing as there was a long debate in Germany what to do in case of the two fronts war. Stay passive in the west and attack in the east or stay passive in the east and attack in the west. Attacking in both directions was not possible staying passive was also no real option.
I read that Wilhelm II shortly before the breakout of the war wanted to turn the main part of the army against Russia but people talked him out of it.
Oh, by the way whats Italy doing in this timeline? Supporting France or staying neutral/on the central powers side?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
By the outbreak of the First World War the French Navy was outnumbered by the Royal Navy, the Imperial Germany Navy, and the US Navy, all of which were also more modern and technically superior. In this timeline I imagine French naval development would go a bit differently, and they would at least try to keep up with the German Navy in terms of technology, if not necessarily numbers.

According to Wikipedia, France had 50 submarines at the outbreak of the First World War, whilst Germany had 29. Presumably the French submarines were less effective and less advanced in our timeline, but maybe in this alternate timeline France builds a more advanced submarine fleet, perhaps hoping to enforce a naval blockade of Germany. That should give them a chance of doing some damage to Britain's surface fleet.

Italy is meant to be neutral at the outbreak of the war, exactly how France wants them (they want to be able to concentrate their forces on one front), but whether they'll remain neutral or decide to support one side or the other is anyone's guess - I honestly don't have that worked out.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
"YOU WANKERS, BELGIUM WAS NEUTRAL!"

Very interesting scenario and map. Always nice to see alternate WW1 scenarios which doesn't focus solely on Germany or Austria-Hungary.

There's a lot of interesting entries in the latest MotF, huh? The competition's tough, that's for sure.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! :D

I think Motf 51 is going to be the hardest fought MotF round yet! I mean, we've had awesome maps entered before, but this is the first time we've had quite so many in one contest round!
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
Browsing through the MotF 51 thread made me wish that the regular map thread was equally awesome. I've just about had it with unlabelled UCS maps at this point. :XD:
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
So essentially, it still bogs down to years of trench warfare, except most of the front lines are in Germany?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Probably, though I'd like to think that if I actually expanded this into a proper timeline then I'd make a little more interesting than that. Perhaps initially there'd be quite a bit of back-and-forth between France and Germany, with France initially getting quite far into Germany, only for the Germans, Dutch and Belgians to regroup and prevent them from surrounding the German defence in Alsace-Lorraine, then the British send troops in and they rapidly push the French out of North Germany and into the Netherlands.

So trench warfare would probably appear in Alsace-Lorraine first - as the French aren't trying to advance there just yet and the Germans most likely failed in their initial attacks - and then creep up the Rhine to the coast as the two sides dig in after an initial war of manoeuvre.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
And it seems as well that the French might be in the same position as OTL Germany in World War I. So would the Napoleonic Empire collapse only for some pseudo-Nazi ideology to sweep through Paris?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nah, that's kinda boring and obvious. Something similar to the German Revolution of 1918-1919 would probably happen in France following their defeat, though.

Perhaps Russia experiences a similar communist revolution as it does in our timeline, and the post-war revolution in France is inspired partially by that. The British and the Germans, wanting to break apart the Franco-Russian alliance, would occupy France and keep the Emperor on the throne, possibly placing some form of more conservative, right-wing government in charge in order to suppress the left-wing, socialist revolutionaries.

I'm not entirely sure where I'd go from there, but pseudo-Nazis would not be my first instinct. :P
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
Or perhaps have the pseudo-Nazis take over Austria-Hungary? ;)
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm, possibly. Generally it's the losing side that gets the radical revanchists, but I suppose Italy was on the winning side of World War I and they went fascist.

If pseudo-Nazis did take over Austria-Hungary in this timeline they'd probably not be an outright copy of the Nazis - less than half of Austria-Hungary's population was German, so a political party that believes in German racial supremacy getting into power would probably spell the end of Austria-Hungary. A quasi-fascist group that wants to form a national identity out of the disparate ethnic groups would work well, though, especially if the "United States of Greater Austria" proposal goes ahead.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
I suppose that would make sense. I'd imagine, say, certain quasi-fascists perhaps trying to usurp the image of the Habsburg Empire and its unity for their own purposes...
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lamnay Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
Well this is going to end badly for the French. Not only can't Frenchmen sail, but they are going up against Royal Navy and the Kaiserliche Marine and they have overseas holdings that really matter.

Do you think the Japanese would get involved in the Pacific or Indochina?

Oh I almost forgot. Cracking map.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is it a bad thing that I instantly read that last sentence in the voice of Wallace (of Wallace and Gromit fame)?

Things most likely are going to end badly for the French - they definitely didn't bank on Britain getting involved. It's likely they thought they could hold off the Kaiserliche Marine long enough to win on land, but with the Royal Navy against them, their defeat at sea is only really a matter of time. Their overseas holdings in Africa will probably be totally unprepared for the war (then again, so would everyone else's), and without naval support from France Britain will probably be able to grab quite a bit of it quite quickly (perhaps attempting to recreate the successful "descents" on French African colonies they did during the Seven Years' War).

Now that I think about it, Germany might have pursued the same u-boat construction programme in this timeline as it did in ours, so it may be that Germany might engage in unrestricted submarine warfare around France, sinking even neutral ships. Britain, too might engage in a similar programme of mining international waters as it did in our timeline (only around France instead of Germany, of course). This might bring the Americans in on France's side, which would definitely make things a lot more... interesting.

It's likely Japan would have pursued an alliance with Britain as they did in our timeline, and so would honour that alliance, taking the opportunity to take French Guangzhouwan and Indochina (it's possible Indochina would be administered by Japan post-war as this timeline's equivalent of a League of Nations mandate). France's southern Pacific holdings would probably be grabbed rather quickly by Australia and/or New Zealand.
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lamnay Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
Well, that's what I wrote it in. :D

Would that really have been necessary given how they could blockade the whole of France fairly easily?

I was thinking they might have let Indochina be independent, Japan and Vietnam have a pretty good historical relationship, at least compared to China and Korea.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Britain could blockade Germany just as easily in our timeline and they still mined international waters. I suppose mining international waters AND unrestricted submarine warfare might be somewhat overkill, though, especially if it needlessly provokes the Americans.

I just think it would be interesting to have the USA on France's side, just to balance the playing field a bit.
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lamnay Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2012
Yeah that could get really messy.
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
If this means the Central Powers will win, I'm all for it. But the damage to the Rhineland would be extreme :ohnoes:
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Victory does not come without sacrifice. I suppose in this case Germany's sacrifice is going to be prolonged trench warfare all along the Rhine and a few million dead soldiers. :P
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
D:
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KCammy Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
Kurarun.... You must be Krall on the forums?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The one and only! :D
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KCammy Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012
Never knew you had a deviantART page. :)
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
So basically it aims to take control of the ressources of the Rhineland and take out the German armies and fortresses by the border?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh and, great username by the way! :D
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Thanks~~
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Eeeyup! Whilst the German Schlieffen Plan aimed to force France's surrender by taking Paris, Berlin is less of an easy target for France, since it's halfway across Germany. Instead, the idea is to crush the German defences in the south and capture the heart of German industry in the Rhineland, with the intention of preventing Germany from forming any sort of adequate defence against the French advance.

This means that, if everything goes according to plan, French troops could rampage across the North German Plain and take Berlin, but I think French hopes are that Germany will fold before it has to do that. :)
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I see ... talk about averting the "Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys" trope :P I take it the war will end similarly to actual WW1, but in reverse?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Most likely, yes, at least in the west. Germany will probably win against France with the help of Britain, but what happens to Russia is a bit more up in the air at this point. Perhaps something similar to the Brest-Litovsk agreement, but more permanent (as Germany doesn't ultimately lose) and less extreme, considering that A: Russia does quite well at the beginning of the war compared to how it did in our timeline, and B: Britain will be moderating, and whilst Germany is nominally their ally, they don't want them totally dominating Europe.
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I see ... sow pretty much status quo in Europe? (perhaps a British Normandy? XP)
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There probably won't be any territorial changes in western Europe, though eastern Europe and the Balkans will probably be all kinds of weird after this alternate Great War, and there'll definitely be some British and German zones of occupation in France.

France will almost definitely lose a number of colonies outside of Europe, though!
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I see ~~ (yay France-screw! Time to have the Eagle fly from disgraceful exile to Paris, again!)
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NivekVonBeldo Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yes like the pre entente original Plan XVI or was XV?
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firelord-zuko Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
It is basically a reversal of the German Schlieffenplan, which aimed at taking France quickly.
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