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NATO in the Turkish Republic by Kurarun NATO in the Turkish Republic by Kurarun
Even early on in the First World War the members of the Entente were making plans on how to carve up the Ottoman Empire. As "the sick man of Europe" the Ottomans' demise was almost certain, and France, Britain and Russia - as well as more minor powers such as Greece and Bulgaria - all had designs on their territory.

Sure enough the Ottomans fell, and as they did so the masses of Turks in Anatolia and Thrace rose up against their weak Emperor and established a new republic, a Turkish republic. The leaders of this new state tried to negotiate with the Entente in order to secure their country as much territory as possible. Unfortunately their revolution had come too late to make a huge difference, and their negotiating position was weak. Fortunately for them, Britain saw a chance at making a new ally. Whilst Greece made demands for all of European Turkey as well as much of Turkey's Aegean coastline and France made plans to annex much of Turkey's southern Mediterranean coast, Britain's representatives argued for a more conservative and Turk-friendly plan.

The resulting Turkish Republic was smaller than the Turks would have liked, but they were still strong, and, following the communist revolution in Russia and the USSR's victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, vital to NATO's anti-USSR efforts, and provided a bulwark against Soviet expansion in to the Mediterranean.

Turkey joined NATO in 1948, and immediately Soviet influence in Europe was curbed as a potential communist puppet had dedicated itself to democracy and capitalism.

For the duration of the Cold War Turkey's foreign policy was to protect itself against the USSR by making it as vital for the protection of "the West" as possible. As a result numerous military installation were handed over to joint NATO forces, including three major docks and two major air bases. From these bases NATO could keep surveillance on communist military movements in Southern Europe and in Central Asia, and in return Turkey was constantly protected by a large contingent of primarily US interceptor aircraft, and there was rarely a time when a British or French aircraft carrier wasn't in port with full escort.

So, all in all, Turkey did rather well for itself.

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This map seems to confuse a lot of people, so I'd like to just state clearly that this is not a map of the real world, but of an alternate timeline where Turkey is smaller. I would also like to state that I did not make this map as an attack on Turkey or out of desire for Turkey to be smaller or weaker. I am generally indifferent towards Turkey as a nationstate - I am generally indifferent towards most nationstates - and I do *not* hate Turkey.
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grisador Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015
İnteresting.

I clearly Sorry about the few Offsets; being asperity in their nature
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CansuY Featured By Owner Edited Jul 17, 2014
u picked a  pretty explosive map among all of the alternatives... do not get surprised by those comments... it doesnt matter if its fiction or real... this one is an unacceptable alternative for turkish people especially nowadays... 
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NomadicSky Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014
So what's the history?
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NomadicSky Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014
fascinating. I'm not sure why this upsets people, it could have happened. The country would still be strong, and would loosing the Kurdish areas not benefit Turkey in the long run?
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't work out a particularly in-depth history for this map - what I did work out is in the image description. :)
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NomadicSky Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014
very interesting work of fiction. I'm not sure why the Turkish people dont see this. This is fictction, there are maps of the United States, Canada, China, Denmark, Russia... whatever the same way. Its just a what if.
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always-artvin Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
search 'Treaty of Sèvres' that map crated by (wrong!!!) Greek and Armanian reports and search Admiral Bristol Report


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Kurarun Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your post at all.
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always-artvin Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
World War I when the Ottoman Empire lost the war, Britain, France, Italy and Russia, the Ottoman Empire tried to share but they Failed because Ottoman was to big to share...

And the United States were forced to deal with other states. Communities living within a particular area;
if Turks in majority, they will be stay in Ottoman Empire
If other peoples (Armenians, Greeks ...) In the majority of states will be established separate them.

According to Greek and Armenian the (Incorrect) Report, Ottoman Empire was distributed in Sevres.


Armenians and Greeks in the region where they live the majority of inaccurate reports to be submitted. Or as the Greek Genocide of the Armenian Genocide. This false information in the world of wonder, fear and hatred has created. Greek and Armenian Incorrect Reports for on-site inspection; Admiral Bristol has been appointed.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am aware of the history of the Ottoman Empire and its break-up - I am more confused as to *why* you are posting this?
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always-artvin Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
also how a *british* know Turkic history more than a Turk
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never said I knew more than you, but I don't see why that would be so surprising - just because you're from a place doesn't mean you know a great deal about it!
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always-artvin Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Because youre map look like sevres map and that map wrong i just want to say . Ya istiklal Ya ölüm
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, I know that map is wrong, and that the Treaty of Sevres was never put into effect. This is an *alternate history* map (though admittedly not a well-thought-out one) and thus does not show what happened in the real world.

Sorry if I sound aggressive, it's just that I constantly get Turkish people commenting on this map about how it's wrong, or that it's meant to promote some sort of political agenda. I very specifically stated otherwise in the description and I wish people would stop telling me the same things over and over again.
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MyHomeLandTURKEY Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014
This map is not real map.  Turkey is 783.000 km^2.  This map is fucking terrorist dream.   And I wanna say that -  This maps will never come true. Turkish People never allow  that.   Every one  can die for Turkey.    All of the country and their people should know that ,  Turkish people most loving  their country than every people.
 I hope , I could tell my idea. Please Search Real TURKISH MAP on Google , for learn the truth. Thanks for reading.  
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NomadicSky Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014
Exactly. Why get fired up. Go look how many speculative histories exist.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please read the other comments - this map is not meant to represent reality nor is it meant to promote any political agenda. This is not an attack on Turkey, or a serious proposition for its reduction; it's just an alternate history scenario.
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ToltekDragon Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013
This map isnot showing the realty , this map is what PKK dreams,
The real map is [link]
Most of the people insulting you thiks that you are from PKK thats why they are writeing bad thing about you
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This map isn't meant to show reality - it's alternate history. I honestly didn't know much about the situation in Turkey at the time I made this map - I didn't even know the PKK existed! I really should've done more research at the time.

I did wonder why this map got so many weird hate comments, so thanks for clearing that up! :D

Maybe I'll make a map with a larger surviving Turkey to make up for it.
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Jestemturk Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
We Turks cannot tolerate to the maps of Turkish Republic which is like this. because we already have a battle with terrorist groups: Pkk and DHKP-C. They have the same aims with IRA and Eta. They are inactive. but we are already fighting with pkk. Please understand us :) Greetings from Turkiye.

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peacecavus Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013
peace in the country peace in the world .
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your comment.
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LycianSage Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
go ahead! you can make it even smaller...
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Am I to gather from your statement that you are unhappy with the state of Turkey in the alternate history world shown in my map?
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LycianSage Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
I wouldn't say "unhappy" but let's say what you do is so postmodern if not dadaist.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dadaist!? As far as I know Dada centres around defying artistic convention as a protest against early 20th century militarism - I don't see how what I'm doing is anywhere close to that.

I'm going to be perfectly honest and say that I don't really understand what Postmodernism is, but I don't think it's anything like my work. I just make maps of alternate history scenarios - that's all. :/
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LycianSage Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
your map is not just "an alternate history scenario."

and you are understanding of postmodernism is enough to understand that your map is postmodern enough.

finally, "dadaist" -in its one of meanings- is a word used to describe weird/stupid things.

have fun...
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How is my map not "just an alternate history scenario"? I don't understand what you're trying to say to me.
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Lowtuff Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012
Very nice map artistically and I like how much thought was put into the description. :) Keep up the good work!
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rexa06 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2012
Wake up guys..
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry - what is that supposed to mean?
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zsystar Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012
you can see the map, but the photos. We are Turkish like you will regret being born.
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zsystar Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2012
Sevr anlaşmaları oldu, mondroslar oldu. Sonuçta ne mi oldu? Bu haritaların hepsi çöp oldu.

Was Sevr Treaties,Mondros agreements had. But in the end what happened? All of these maps was garbage.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm honestly not sure what you're saying. I understand the reference to the Armistice of Moudros/Mondros, but I don't know what you're saying about it or what your question means.
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fisabilillah Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2011
Kurdistan is a joke. It's like someone claim Lampukistan in Germany. haha :0)
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Could you not make political comments on images which do not in any way express a political opinion? Especially political comments that nonsensical and highly offensive? Thanks.
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fisabilillah Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
Uhm. Sorry. People use your view as propaganda. You know about the Afro-Americans? That's the biggest nation without any stats. Let's make an Afroamerican State in the US haha!

You are crazy people in the USA, and said: "This turkish nations really sucks, let's change it a bit" So one day in the USA, while an American was stoned, he thought it would be awesome if the Turks get owned. When the Turks saw the misconception about the Iranoaryan-Turks (Kurds, etc) they knew just what they would do "If you offend the birthplace of human civilizations and our 9,500 BC native land, we will insult back at you! This is propaganda. And there's more fire and destruction than the mind can comprehend. We all could realize this was a bad idea.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure why you're bringing up African-Americans - it seems entirely irrelevant to this conversation.

As for the rest of your post, I think you're accusing me of being a stoned American who hates Turkey and wants to make it smaller? If so, I'd like to inform you how every single part of that assessment of my character is wrong: I'm British, I've never touched drugs in my life, and I have no real opinion of Turkey.

This map is not propaganda, it does not represent my opinion of Turkey. It was a map made for a contest, to demonstrate what Turkey might look like if history turned out differently. As I do not make political statements with my maps, I would appreciate it if you do not make political statements in response to them.
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fisabilillah Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011
It doesn't matter if Anglo-American or "England". And I'm not accusing you for hating Turkey. What I try to say was, that some people feel free and mind ironical "ah this Turkish nations really sucks, let's change it a bit :P" I personally a Turk, but the Turks from Turkey aren't from Central Asia like many people think. They Turks (in Turkey) are from the native population of Anatolia. So we are ethnically Turkish and our language is Altaic. But we are genetic mostly Europeans. Scientist says "The discussion of the question in population genetics has historically been marred by Turkish nationalism which postulates a Pan-Turkic identity emphasizing Central Asian roots."

In other words Turks are basically Greco-Anatolian and partly a Celtic nation. The Haplogroup R1b which is most located in Ireland and Wales is one of the main part of the Genetic history of the Turkish people (, but they is also many caucasoid Turks).

Anatolia is birthplace of the Europeans, and it's still European. So why it should become more Asiatic? It's like Paniranism to cute Anatolia. And whatever if history turned out differently there is geographical a region of Anatolia. And probably the State would again a European one the Greeks or full of Armenia. We all could realize that different parts of Anatolia is a bad idea.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have no idea what point you're trying to make any more.
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fisabilillah Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2012
the western europeans and the turkic people have the same origin. that is what i am trying to say. but turks in turkey are from european familiy. for example the Haplogroup R1b which is 80% of british population and 70% of french population the Haplogroup R1b is 35% of Turkmenistan. (norway have only 30%). the haplogroup r1b is founded in anatolia it expand to west europe and to central asia, however turks in turkey are from european familiy.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011
It seems they also lost Kurdistan in the process.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They did indeed - the Turkish Republic in this scenario is quite a bit smaller than Turkey is IOTL.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011
If it made this Turkey stronger, sounds pretty good.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure if it's stronger, but it's definitely more Western-aligned and would be considered more "European" than it is in our timeline.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011
I suppose so.
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deneme000111 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2011
Do not joke.... :)
Area:783,562 km2

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Kurarun Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's the extent of Turkey in our timeline - this is a map from an alternate timeline.
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AY-Deezy Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Lol, Diyarbakir is not there dude.
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Kurarun Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*Checks maps.*

Ah, it appears you are right; it's further east and south of where I placed it. I may have to edit this map at some point, in order to replace Diyarbakir with a city that's actually in that region.

Thanks for pointing that out! :)
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